Sector7g

I'm really surprised no one seems to have posted this before but I believe the regens/freds (whatever you want to call them) are flawed. I noticed it in my 2nd season and have played on until 2011.

First of all, I'm not talking about the known bug about player reputations not rising so that 10 yrs into the game international sides are still picking the same players as in 2007. Also these examples are with England, Scotland, Italy and Spain leagues running, all playable with 12 total leagues).

I'm talking about regens in general. Just a few examples. Looking purely at regens, 4 years into the game the fastest regen has pace 17. There are 6 guys with 17 speed, 5 of them are GK. (A side point, of those 5 G/K 4 have jumping under 10). I know the world is getting fatter so mb SI have taken this into account? -)

The highest value of any of those players btw is 160k which is not surprising since they are terrbile and their physical attributes don't match their position (v similar to the major bug in a previous version). Most centre backs that you would consider the best regens have jumping under 10. E.g. there are 1139 centre backs aged 19 or below, but with jumping of at least 15 there are just 57. However, when I went back to the start of the game in 2007 I found there were 1360 centre backs 19 or below then and of those, only 107 had jumping of at least 15. Still seems v low...could it be a random generator is set too low for certain stats/attributes.

If you look at the under 19 sides of the main countries selected, Italy, Spain, England.....the standard of regens is really poor. I'm not talking about value, which may be effected by the known bug about reps not rising. And I'm not talking about just stats (though this certainly seems wrong too). Physical stats often don't seem to match their positions, and as for technical stats there is just generally a lot less young talent even 4 seasons into the game.

Also, not sure if there is a reason for this to do with my game settings but by 2011 Man U's under 18 team is completely, 100% made up of greys. Not a single real player there. England is a playable league. Not sure why this is, Arsenal and Liverpool have about half greys, half real players.

This needs looking into a lot further but hopefully one of the testers can do that. Anyway, a few stats using done as Arsenal manager in 2007 and 2011.....

in 2007 of players aged at most 19.....(2011 figures in brackets) 15829 total players at these ages(14384 in 2011).
pace 18 or above 52(21)
pace 17 or above 157(72)
jumping 18 or above 58(11)
jumping 17 or above 110(30)

18 yr old players valued at 2m or above in 2007=32 (in 2011...3).

Consider that some of the 2011 figures are skewed somewhat by the guys that were not regens but just 15 or under in 2007. Even not taking this into account, the total number of players has gone down by 10% but the players in those categories have gone down almost 60% in pace and around 75% in speed. Like I say, taking into account some of those guys that do have good speed/jumping etc the downward spiral is probably much worse.

I know all of this is v small sample size and proves nothing but I think it warrants someone taking a detailed look at the regens because at the v least it seems it needs tweaking somewhat.

I'm not having a go at anyone, I'm just pointing out you may be wasting your time if you are starting a long term game. For me it's the only reason I play the game so I'd really like to hear an official opinion on whether this could be looked at and possibly corrected if necessary. I will re-post this in the bugs forum but I think more people will see it here and it's important to consider it before starting long term games.

Thanks

Sector7g

Sorry, didn't spell check the 3rd last paragraph. It should have said this....



Consider that some of the 2011 figures are skewed somewhat by the guys that were not regens but just 15 or under in 2007. Even not taking this into account, the total number of players has gone down by 10% but the players in those categories have gone down almost 60% in pace and around 75% in JUMPING Like I say, taking into account some of those guys that do have good speed/jumping etc are not even regens the downward spiral is probably much worse.

NorwegianOiler

Oh. Looks eerily similar to an attribute flaw found in SIs EHM (Hockey manager). Are the creators aware of this? Have more players seen this? I'm coming into 2011 soon, and haven't checked the numbers, but I'll be back with some info if I find anything particularly interesting...

nick...

I've noticed much of what you say, but I still find the game fun far into the future.

The world goes a bit wierd at around the time you're talking about, but one all the real players retire, it balances again, and although good stats are rarer, you appreciate the all the more.

I think the game is much more fun when it's all regens, and would advise you to stick at it.

Mr T

Hmm I'm seeing plenty of regens in national squads in 2013.

Used player search too and saw tons of regens with pace 20. And plenty of regen DCs with jumping above 15.

I'm running England, France, Germany, Italy, Holland and Spain. The top 2 divisions from all of them.

Juddy !!

on my second season i got regen in my man utd 18s a striker who had the potential to be as good as rooney and now 3 seasons later 21 years of age has scored 25 goals in 22 prem league games

Sector7g

Thanks for the replies. It would be great if I was wrong or it was just a statistical anomoly in my game but remember i'm not talking about zero good regens. I'm talking about 60-70% less.

I'm quite re-assured though that someone has tons of regens with pace 20. I have zero! :S Only 4 years in though so as I say it might just be a random occurance.

Fieldsy

Out of interest what database are you using? small, medium, large or have you downloaded the file that allows for the huge database to be unlocked?

Sector7g

Large database, 12 leagues, haven't downloaded any files other than the official patch.

dane0

One thing to consider though is that you aren't THAT far into the game yet. Players do evolve a great deal after they're 19. In real life, and in the game you often won't see players really starting to reach their potential until they're 22-23 years old...