Loaning players to get work permits.

Ihsaan · 01-12-2008, 03:09 PM

As West Brom manager, trying to get young South American players has been impossible, because of the work permit situation. I asked for a feeder club, and I now have UCD from Ireland, where I assume [hope] they don't need work permits. I've heard you can loan players out to gain work permits, but how do you do this if you can't buy them in the first place?

Thanks in advance.

SWaRFeGa · 01-12-2008, 03:11 PM

You CAN buy them if they agree terms, but they will not be able to play for you. You can loan them to your feeder club, assuming it is a "work permit" feeder club type. I don't think UCD is such a club?

GillsMan · 01-12-2008, 03:13 PM

No, I'd be surprised if UCD were such a club. Have a look at the information in the affiliated clubs screen - it says what the main benefit of the agreement is. You'll need a club in a country that allows players to pick up EU citizenship easily in order to take advantage. This will be listed in the main benefits window.

Ihsaan · 01-12-2008, 03:14 PM

They probably aren't. I might ask for another feeder club to see if I can find a work permit feeder club.

GillsMan · 01-12-2008, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Ihsaan:
They probably aren't. I might ask for another feeder club to see if I can find a work permit feeder club.

It might be difficult (but not impossible) if you're not in the Premier League, but good luck!

SWaRFeGa · 01-12-2008, 03:18 PM

You might have to wait a while, maybe even up to a year, but eventually you#ll get a Polish or Belgian or Spanish club to send your non-EU players to.
But even so, they have to spend a good few years there, and I always wonder if it's really worth it all. I'm 12 years into my current game and never bothered to use this option (yet).

Ihsaan · 01-12-2008, 03:22 PM

Eh, not allowed another Feeder Club now. Ah well.

monkeywool · 01-12-2008, 03:34 PM

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Originally posted by SWaRFeGa:
You might have to wait a while, maybe even up to a year, but eventually you#ll get a Polish or Belgian or Spanish club to send your non-EU players to.
But even so, they have to spend a good few years there, and I always wonder if it's really worth it all. I'm 12 years into my current game and never bothered to use this option (yet).

I know what you mean, you get a 15 year old and he has to be away for 3 years before he gets a WP and then he isn't homegrown, you can send them off to them between 18 and 21 I guess but you are not developing them with your facilities so they might not be training how you want them to. It is a bit of a catch 22 sometimes.

Spanish feeder clubs are a no no anyway, as you would only be able to send people from Spanish speaking countries I think for a 3 year WP, Africans and Asians are on a 10 year WP I believe.

Law_Man · 01-12-2008, 03:41 PM

As far as I'm aware, you are still completely free to sign a non-EU national, but he won't be able to play for you until he:

either fulfills the criteria for a work permit i.e. international caps etc

or gains EU nationality by residing in an EU member state for the required period.

IIRC the maximum is 5 years (e.g. the UK) but if you send players to other countries such as Belgium, they will gain EU nationality in a shorter period - 3 years.

So to answer your question, if you have a Belgian or Polish (might be other countries too) feeder club, then sign him and send him their for 3 years and he'll gain EU nationality thereby allowing you to play him. If you don't have a feeder club, then you can still sign him and let him reside in the UK and/or if you get a Belgian or Polish feeder club later on, you can still send him there.

Of course, FM doesn't get into all the deportation etc business that has recently been highlighted with Al Bangura....

SWaRFeGa · 01-12-2008, 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Law_Man:
As far as I'm aware, you are still completely free to sign a non-EU national, but he won't be able to play for you until he:

either fulfills the criteria for a work permit i.e. international caps etc

or gains EU nationality by residing in an EU member state for the required period.

IIRC the maximum is 5 years (e.g. the UK) but if you send players to other countries such as Belgium, they will gain EU nationality in a shorter period - 3 years.

So to answer your question, if you have a Belgian or Polish (might be other countries too) feeder club, then sign him and send him their for 3 years and he'll gain EU nationality thereby allowing you to play him. If you don't have a feeder club, then you can still sign him and let him reside in the UK and/or if you get a Belgian or Polish feeder club later on, you can still send him there.

Of course, FM doesn't get into all the deportation etc business that has recently been highlighted with Al Bangura....

I don't think you can buy him at all if you're not granted a work permit.
If declined, you can then appeal once.
Then you may fail again.
After this the only way he can sign is if you definitely have the feeder club already in place.
Otherwise the transfer is cancelled.