Last minute goals - Page 3

chopper99 · 01-24-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally posted by Mitja:

no chopper I don't win and I don't want to. but just tell me smth, are getting paid for your defending of this game. do you think game is of good quality?

I make plenty of post criticising problem areas of the game and offering constructive ideas on how they can be improved (as you do yourself I might add). I know there are problems with the game but teams going more attacking at the end of a game is nothing other than what happens in real life.

I'll happily highlight genuine problems with the game but what's happening here is that the opening poster can't get his tactics right so is automatically blaming the game rather than himself.

mitja · 01-24-2008, 01:00 PM

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Originally posted by olrion:
I feel your pain. There seems to be nothing you can do. If the computer wants you to conceed then you will.

Even if you change your tactics to ultra defensive, players behind the ball, time wasting set to often and have counter attacking you've got more chance of winning the lottery in a plane crash than holding onto your lead. The chances of counter attacking and scoring yourself are even less!

Then the match will go to extra time, then penalties and despite having players with 20 composure and 20 penalty taking you will lose the shootout. It is FM law!

<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Genuine_quality:

really starting to do my head in now, only ever scored when im defending a lead, tried everything from attacking to defending deep, its almost as if some idiot has encoded the probability of conceding to be greater in the last minute than at any other time in the game, it happens far to often to be anything else

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not to metion you will probably get goal from corner in 94th minute (by someone who's that goal is 1st in his career for the club) of what should be 3 min extra time. and you won't be able to score from corner whole season

mitja · 01-24-2008, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by chopper99:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Mitja:

no chopper I don't win and I don't want to. but just tell me smth, are getting paid for your defending of this game. do you think game is of good quality?

I make plenty of post criticising problem areas of the game and offering constructive ideas on how they can be improved (as you do yourself I might add). I know there are problems with the game but teams going more attacking at the end of a game is nothing other than what happens in real life.

I'll happily highlight genuine problems with the game but what's happening here is that the opening poster can't get his tactics right so is automatically blaming the game rather than himself. </BLOCKQUOTE>

of course he is, the game is a joke

olrion · 01-24-2008, 01:16 PM

Yeah that is so frustrating, another of the FM laws when you do conceed a goal in the last minute (which is fairly often for me) it is always a 90 year old player who has scored his first goal for the club!

I think I could count the goals I have scored in the injury time from Champ 2 right up to FM2008 on one hand! It is just not meant to be!

Just kidding, I am just bitter because I am not as good at the latest versions of the game as I have been throughout the series! It is frustrating as you can imagine!

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Originally posted by Mitja:
<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by olrion:
I feel your pain. There seems to be nothing you can do. If the computer wants you to conceed then you will.

Even if you change your tactics to ultra defensive, players behind the ball, time wasting set to often and have counter attacking you've got more chance of winning the lottery in a plane crash than holding onto your lead. The chances of counter attacking and scoring yourself are even less!

Then the match will go to extra time, then penalties and despite having players with 20 composure and 20 penalty taking you will lose the shootout. It is FM law!

<BLOCKQUOTE>Originally posted by Genuine_quality:

really starting to do my head in now, only ever scored when im defending a lead, tried everything from attacking to defending deep, its almost as if some idiot has encoded the probability of conceding to be greater in the last minute than at any other time in the game, it happens far to often to be anything else

</BLOCKQUOTE>

not to metion you will probably get goal from corner in 94th minute (by someone who's that goal is 1st in his career for the club) of what should be 3 min extra time. and you won't be able to score from corner whole season

</BLOCKQUOTE>

Klimowicz · 01-24-2008, 01:21 PM

if i'm up by 1 goal in the 80th minute, i play a 4-4-0-1 (the second 4 are WBL, WBR, DMC, DMC.

also taking an attacking player off for a natural dmc. and setting his instructions to extremely defensive, means that i haven't conceded many late equalizers in fm08.

it also helps if the whole team does some sort of defensive training.

olrion · 01-24-2008, 01:44 PM

I have my players train intensive on attacking, defence and shooting and I still manage to miss all my scoring opportunities and my defending is of the Titus Bramble variety!

Does training really count towards anything? Lets be serious here!

gunnerfan · 01-24-2008, 02:16 PM

I don't see this as being as much a problem as it was in FM07, when the worst thing you could do was take a two-goal lead in an away match. But it is still a problem.

Typically, the AI team ramps up the offensive pressure when trailing by a goal or two late in the match by going to a 4-2-4 or 2-3-5. IRL, this creates offensive pressure but also creates significant defensive risk. The match engine replicates the offensive pressure but not the defensive risk. As a result, the only successful tactic over time is to play ultra-defensively in these situations. But IRL, a counter-attacking tactic, particularly one that exploited the space on the wings in the midfield (vs. 4-2-4) or at the back (vs. 2-3-5), would often punish a team for its gamble (otherwise, these would be commonly used formations). Unfortunately, this is not reflected in the current match engine.

It's one of the things I'd really like to see SI address in FM09.

backpackant · 01-24-2008, 03:26 PM

I used to have that problem - started a thread about it in fact. Have resolved the issue now with a a tactic called "Close up Shop". Will post screenies when I get home (if I remember), but essentially it's a 4-1-4-1.

Ultra defensive.
Short passing.
Slow tempo.
Deep defensive line.
Striker runs with and holds up the ball (pref a strong, good dribbler).

99% effective for me, even against the bigger teams. Even scored a couple like this too, making a 1-0 a 2-0 as the other team throws everyone forward.

Worked for me as Leeds against Man U, Chelsea, Inter Milan, Shalke, and various smaller teams who've proven hard to break down.

Also works when you're a man down, but play without a striker - set an arrow from one of your central midfielders to the ST position.

I should probably put this in the Tactics forum too. See how that goes.

Genuine_quality · 01-24-2008, 06:40 PM

ive got to agree with some of the posts, counter attacking in the last 10 in by in large totally hopeless as even if you do get through your strikers just simply miss there one on ones, all of the time, without exception

Chappers72 · 01-24-2008, 07:58 PM

When the AI goes all 4-2-4 near the end of the close game I used to go 5-4-1 to counter it and I had a little success but still let a fair few in. So I thought about it and it was down to the fact that going 5-4-1 and Ultra Defence invited them on and while I was winning the Midfield battle with my 4 V 2, i was still just aksing for bother.

Now the only thing I change is that when he goes 4 up front I go three and match the Midfield with like for like.

So AI is 4-2-4 and i'm 5-2-3 this means that the AI also has to worry about me going for it.

Have seen this still let the odd late goal in which is fair enough but it has also seen me see out games and even from time to time score a couple more to see out the game in style.